Hearing about gaming websites being suspected of using Chat GPT to write articles about, like, ‘how to do xyz thing in game’ and reading about people being accused of using Chat GPT to write soulless emails for them really gives me the feeling that if something *can* be replaced with Chat GPT, then it probably *shouldn’t* be done, like at all. Maybe *nobody* should be writing buzzfeed articles, whether it’s underpaid journalists cranking out a new low-effort article every 10 minutes at a breakneck pace or if its a robot doing the same thing. Maybe nobody should be doing this, like morally speaking.
The 2024 republican primary is gonna be buck wild.
De Santis: “Hello median American voter, the only thing I have for you is transphobia.”
Trump: “Ron De-sanctamonius you’re little pudding fingers boy.”
Biden: “Back in Scranton we used to make a thing called Dirt Nachos.”
Why is Biden in the Republican primary
Got lost
Jesus Christ returning from the dead: “You know what’s weird? Drunk driving gets you into Valhalla. It’s a huge problem tbh, they’re trying to fix it.”
if eccentricity isn’t tolerated there’s no way to tell that the people who aren’t eccentrics are doing what they want. they don’t have the option to do otherwise!
Anyone know what the deal was with that Canadian residential school thing? A lot of people described finding graves and darkly hinted at them as being like… murder camps, where the children were sent to presumably be lined up against a wall and shot or something to that effect
And I’m not sure if there’s much to say they were murder camps so much as, like… kids just fucking died back in history-times. Especially children at Orphanages. And you couldn’t just leave them lying around so you buried them. 1800′s orphanages (especially in cold countries) are pretty famous for being miserable and tragic.
I guess sending a kid to an orphanage when you don’t need to back in the 1800′s was, like… similar to murder. Like you increased their chances of dying due to starvation/disease before puberty from like 40% to 60%. Like a 20% Marginal Murder Rate Increase.
I dunno, it’s one of those tricky things where like, it looks like a lot of people are mischaracterising an event, but the event was still really really bad anyway, but just not the same level of bad. It’s like if a bunch of people were insisting that 600 million Jews died in the holocaust and you couldn’t try and get them closer to the actual 6 million figure without feeling like a genocide denier. You don’t want to be the guy to be Defending something really bad, but also you wanna be clear on what actually happened.
All the messaging I saw around it when the story came out was mostly Dark Hinting - a few snippets and numbers implying something dreadful and then the assumption that the reader would be too filled with rage to read any more.I think some of it was abusive discipline/ pinishments that occasionally lead to deaths? Iirc with similar scandals in Irish homes run by the church that later found unmarked graves that was an issue.
But yeah the darkly hinting stuff is annoying.
I guess some of it is a thing of ‘if you didn’t want us to assume the worst you shouldn’t have hid it and should have reported what happened at the time’?
Yeah a lot of what people write about them is misleading in a way that’s a little annoying because the reality was bad enough, but it never seems worth objecting to because the reality was bad enough. You kind of have to understand it as an “angle” to advance related causes in the public sphere.
Basically: the purpose of the schools was forcible cultural assimilation, many involved permanently breaking up families (not all, but the ones that didn’t also sucked), and the schools were shit for all the reasons you’d expect when funnelling a population of subaltern children into an often-Catholic hegemonic institutional structure far from their home. But the deaths themselves were mostly just deaths from disease, and while they were probably exacerbated by neglect and mistreatment (which as one might imagine is well attested), the fundamental issue was similar to what you’ve seen with those migrant family separations in the US in recent years, on a much larger and longer-term scale: of course if you go out of your way to break up a bunch of families and entrap the kids in Child Prison with no recourse, it’s going to be awful. Even if the death rate had been identical to the poshest white boarding school it would only have been slightly less bad, since to reiterate this whole project was just about forcibly assimilating kids who came from normal functioning families which the state objected to solely because they were culturally distinct.
As to the question of why the discussion of this has focused on the mass graves, idk, I think honestly it’s a bit more impressionistic and symbolic than anything specific – as you say, a lot of it is based on creating an impression of “newly discovered mass murder” when in fact it was already known what went on there and (in most cases) what the death rate was. That said, probably looking into the gravesites in more detail will help give closure to specific families and uncover issues with specific institutions. Ultimately this is just how you play the media game, and the timing is important: the truth and reconciliation stuff is fairly recent, the government has been dragging its feet on key promises, and Trudeau is a lot more vulnerable to pressure and embarrassment on the issue than the Conservatives would be.
Researchers say that TB at residential schools was no accident
As predicted by Bryce, without interventions to improve conditions, an overall TB mortality rate of 8,000/100,000 population in the residential school system was seen in the 1930s compared to rates of 51–79/100,000 population in the country overall for the same decade.
Reflecting on the relationship between residential schools and TB in Canada
First Nations nutrition experiments - Wikipedia
I’m not an expert but frankly I think all of these responses are underselling how deliberate the deaths and neglect were. I do of course agree that the cultural genocide alone wound be sufficiently bad.
It’s hard to determine intent, though I think it’s clear it’s like… at the very least, a level of Gross Negligence that is pretty morally close to intentional murder.
Like there’s a difference between killing someone and putting them in a situation where they’ll have a higher chance of dying and carelessly ignoring it and not considering it a priority to prevent those deaths. Though it’s not a *huge* difference.
Feels tricky to describe without looking like an excuse.the reason it feels like making excuses is because it is. You are automatically taking the side of the people running the schools by giving them the benefit of the doubt. Why not take the side of the people whose children were killed by being forced into deadly systems?
You have the information that pretty clearly indicates the people running these schools knew that they were killing children. This isn’t about fact-finding anymore. What’s the final sticking point for you?
I don’t think it’s Taking A Side to say that you don’t know what happened.
I don’t think I’ve seen anything confirming the details of the intent, though I don’t really need to, because it is already, at the very least, a thing that is morally pretty close to it.
Like, you don’t need to convince me that what happened was really bad, I’m already fully convinced that it was really bad, there are just some details on exactly what kind of bad.
Anyone know what the deal was with that Canadian residential school thing? A lot of people described finding graves and darkly hinted at them as being like… murder camps, where the children were sent to presumably be lined up against a wall and shot or something to that effect
And I’m not sure if there’s much to say they were murder camps so much as, like… kids just fucking died back in history-times. Especially children at Orphanages. And you couldn’t just leave them lying around so you buried them. 1800′s orphanages (especially in cold countries) are pretty famous for being miserable and tragic.
I guess sending a kid to an orphanage when you don’t need to back in the 1800′s was, like… similar to murder. Like you increased their chances of dying due to starvation/disease before puberty from like 40% to 60%. Like a 20% Marginal Murder Rate Increase.
I dunno, it’s one of those tricky things where like, it looks like a lot of people are mischaracterising an event, but the event was still really really bad anyway, but just not the same level of bad. It’s like if a bunch of people were insisting that 600 million Jews died in the holocaust and you couldn’t try and get them closer to the actual 6 million figure without feeling like a genocide denier. You don’t want to be the guy to be Defending something really bad, but also you wanna be clear on what actually happened.
All the messaging I saw around it when the story came out was mostly Dark Hinting - a few snippets and numbers implying something dreadful and then the assumption that the reader would be too filled with rage to read any more.I think some of it was abusive discipline/ pinishments that occasionally lead to deaths? Iirc with similar scandals in Irish homes run by the church that later found unmarked graves that was an issue.
But yeah the darkly hinting stuff is annoying.
I guess some of it is a thing of ‘if you didn’t want us to assume the worst you shouldn’t have hid it and should have reported what happened at the time’?
Yeah a lot of what people write about them is misleading in a way that’s a little annoying because the reality was bad enough, but it never seems worth objecting to because the reality was bad enough. You kind of have to understand it as an “angle” to advance related causes in the public sphere.
Basically: the purpose of the schools was forcible cultural assimilation, many involved permanently breaking up families (not all, but the ones that didn’t also sucked), and the schools were shit for all the reasons you’d expect when funnelling a population of subaltern children into an often-Catholic hegemonic institutional structure far from their home. But the deaths themselves were mostly just deaths from disease, and while they were probably exacerbated by neglect and mistreatment (which as one might imagine is well attested), the fundamental issue was similar to what you’ve seen with those migrant family separations in the US in recent years, on a much larger and longer-term scale: of course if you go out of your way to break up a bunch of families and entrap the kids in Child Prison with no recourse, it’s going to be awful. Even if the death rate had been identical to the poshest white boarding school it would only have been slightly less bad, since to reiterate this whole project was just about forcibly assimilating kids who came from normal functioning families which the state objected to solely because they were culturally distinct.
As to the question of why the discussion of this has focused on the mass graves, idk, I think honestly it’s a bit more impressionistic and symbolic than anything specific – as you say, a lot of it is based on creating an impression of “newly discovered mass murder” when in fact it was already known what went on there and (in most cases) what the death rate was. That said, probably looking into the gravesites in more detail will help give closure to specific families and uncover issues with specific institutions. Ultimately this is just how you play the media game, and the timing is important: the truth and reconciliation stuff is fairly recent, the government has been dragging its feet on key promises, and Trudeau is a lot more vulnerable to pressure and embarrassment on the issue than the Conservatives would be.
Researchers say that TB at residential schools was no accident
As predicted by Bryce, without interventions to improve conditions, an overall TB mortality rate of 8,000/100,000 population in the residential school system was seen in the 1930s compared to rates of 51–79/100,000 population in the country overall for the same decade.
Reflecting on the relationship between residential schools and TB in Canada
First Nations nutrition experiments - Wikipedia
I’m not an expert but frankly I think all of these responses are underselling how deliberate the deaths and neglect were. I do of course agree that the cultural genocide alone wound be sufficiently bad.
It’s hard to determine intent, though I think it’s clear it’s like… at the very least, a level of Gross Negligence that is pretty morally close to intentional murder.
Like there’s a difference between killing someone and putting them in a situation where they’ll have a higher chance of dying and carelessly ignoring it and not considering it a priority to prevent those deaths. Though it’s not a *huge* difference.
Feels tricky to describe without looking like an excuse.
does banksy realize that ‘bank’ is a significant portion of his name? this is ironic, because banksy is an anti-capitalist folk hero for people with horrible taste, and banks serve an integral role in the capitalist enterprise. i hate banksy more than myself.
It’s shortened and cutsy for his nom de guerre Robin Banks. Yeah, I know. Real subtle.
Where’s that fuckin’ zenpencils parody.
Guy on the loudspeaker asks for ‘Mr Racist’ and everyone sneers.
Only to reveal that Mr Racist’s first name… is Stopbeing…
